Hey Urbanagora. As my first official time posting, I'd like to thank Billy Joe for all the hot passionate love making that he used to convince me to write on the blog and Augur for watching and video taping. Anyway, I thought you could all use a fun diversion from the hard work of reading blogs and arguing, so I decided to post the IMMIGRATION GAME!!!
It's a nifty little thing created by the New York Times that gives you about ten fields you can manipulate to try and get a score of over 40 to qualify for immigration under the Kennedy bill that's currently in the Senate. You'll notice that almost none of the types of workers we currently seem to need most, that is, unskilled workers willing to work for low wages, will ever make it in under the Kennedy system. Enjoy!
Hugs n' Kisses Billy
~Hanno
It's a nifty little thing created by the New York Times that gives you about ten fields you can manipulate to try and get a score of over 40 to qualify for immigration under the Kennedy bill that's currently in the Senate. You'll notice that almost none of the types of workers we currently seem to need most, that is, unskilled workers willing to work for low wages, will ever make it in under the Kennedy system. Enjoy!
Hugs n' Kisses Billy
~Hanno
Labels: Brandon, immigration, politics
Yah because the millions of Americans on government assistance are all skilled workers.
Whether they're there or not, businesses like cheap labor that keeps the wages down and without that constant stream of people willing to work for less agriculture and services would be in an interesting spot.
I'm glad to see that lawyers get fewer points than doctors.
Businesses like cheap labor. Legally allowing a flood of unskilled immigrants will not provide business with the cheap labor it desires. It will provide business with $7.50/hr to pick strawberries labor. Your argument falls flat. If we need to allow unskilled laborers into the country to do unskilled jobs at supressed wages, then we need to either exempt these jobs from minimum wage laws or continue to feign outrage at illegals who work for below minimum wage because their options are limited.
"Your argument falls flat. If we need to allow unskilled laborers into the country to do unskilled jobs at supressed wages, then we need to either exempt these jobs from minimum wage laws or continue to feign outrage at illegals who work for below minimum wage because their options are limited."
Actually it doesn't. Agriculture wass exempt from the minimum wage laws last time I checked, they do "piecemeal" pay. Also tons of illegal immigrants ARE paid below the minimum wage.
Let's take a moment to analyze my sentence regarding illegal immigrants working below minimum wage: continue to feign outrage at illegals who work for below minimum wage.
"continue": to remain; to endure; to carry on
"ARE": present pl. indicative of be
"be": to exist; take place; happen occur
Now you said, "Also tons of illegal immigrants ARE paid below the minimum wage."
"Also": in addition; too; besides; as well
So your decision to use the word "also" seems to indicate that you will be adding something new to the discussion in the words that follow. But all you say is that illegal immigrants currently receive less that minimum wage; that this action is taking place; it is occuring. I guess I just don't understand how this tells me something more than my statement which say illegal immigrants will continue, remain, carry on working for less than minimum wage?
Agricultural workers are, for the most part, paid Federal minimum wages. There are notable exceptions, however:
Employees in the agriculture industry are exempt from the overtime requirements.
Any employer who does not use more than 500 “man days” of farm labor during any calendar quarter of the preceding calendar year is exempt from paying the minimum wage. A “man day” is defined when an employee performs at least one hour of work.
Agricultural employees who are members of the immediate family of the employer are not covered by the standard.
Those principally employed on the range for production livestock are exempt from the minimum wage standard.
Local hand harvest laborers who commute daily from their permanent residence and are paid on a piece rate basis in traditional piece-rated occupations, and who were engaged in agriculture less than 13 weeks during the preceding calendar year, are exempt from the minimum wage standard.
Non-local minors under the age of 16, who are hand harvesters and paid on a piece rate basis in traditional piece-rated occupations, employed on the same farm as their parents, and paid the same rate as those over the age of 16 are exempt from the minimum wage requirement.
That's from the Fedgov DoL page.
Takes me back to the days of walkin' beans and puttin' up hay.
Tom
All of Hanno's logic (or lack thereof) also ignores the fact that legalized immigrants will have many more options employment available than illegal ones. There's no reason to believe they will continue to work physically demanding unskilled jobs. They're more likely to begin competing for unskilled retail jobs (WalMart and the like), depressing the wages of those jobs as low as the government will allow them to go. The result? More out of work unskilled workers, forever dependent upon the government teet. And what of the strawberry fields? The next wave of illegals will be working them (and many of them for below minimum wage).
"All of Hanno's logic (or lack thereof) also ignores the fact that legalized immigrants will have many more options employment available than illegal ones."
I love the ad hominem attacks. Anyway Kof whether you let them in legally or illegally they're coming and all the laws and unfunded fences in the world won't stop economic migration. The free flow of goods and capital almost requires the free flow of labor. They have come, they will come and they'll have children. Their children will be citizens and will be in a similar situation to the would-be legal immigrants. Basically immigration, whether legal or not, creates the issue you brought up irrespective of its legality because immigrants have families. Then there's the whole identity theft and falsified documents issue that I don't even want to get into.
The fence is funded, Hanno. And it's not an ad hominem to point out flaws with the logic of your argument. Illegal immigration is a solvable problem. All it takes is the political will.
Well, actually, the market also stops immigration, legal or illegal.
When the real wage differential between two countries drops below a factor of three, past studies have shown that immigration to the higher wage nation drops by a couple orders of magnitude.
Now, whether or not the societies of the US and the source of our new immigrants can survive this with any kind of freedom or comfort has yet to be decided.
Hanno, the entire immigration question could become very, very toxic in America. The free flow of goods and labor and immigrants/emigrants could be extremely inhibited if the Republican Party swings wildly nativist after 2008, as I expect.
Wars have been fought over much less.
"he entire immigration question could become very, very toxic in America. The free flow of goods and labor and immigrants/emigrants could be extremely inhibited if the Republican Party swings wildly nativist after 2008, as I expect."
It won't be a dramatic swing. It'll just be the continuation of a trend.
If it wasn't a dramatic swing, the current administration and their lackeys in the Senate wouldn't be co-sponsoring the travesty that they're still trying to muscle through.
The NE Capitalism wing of the GOP is about to find that it is toast.
Tom